Don't Dys My Topia

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By lxxy

Dystopia versus Utopia

Okay, so let's say there's a future. Often, this future is 15 minutes away. Sometimes, further. In fantasy lit, you're in the past (often some ancient cycle), so replace awesome technology with awesome magic.

Under these circumstances, depending on your lit style, the story will either be full of hardship like Star Wars or full of adventure, like Star Trek.

Mentalist acer has asked of me to cite references to Utopian worlds in popular media, versus the dominate dystopian societies you often find at the butt end of world war III, or some zombie plague, perhaps genetic manipulation of Rosanne Barrs..err dinosaurs, you catch the drift.

Some scientist, mad or not, invents a ridiculously awesome piece of tech that sparks controversy in some future. Again, replace "tech" with "magic spell" if it's fantasy, mix in a little bit of both if it's Shadowrun. Add the dullest parts of both with George Lucas' ego for Star Wars.

The central themes of Dystopian and Utopian settings cannot exist without using said tech or magic as a backdrop, even if reduced to line noise like in Aliens. Else, we could theoretically already be on the verge of collapse in the now and not even know it.

Even The Matrix trilogy, which I think has the best line to sum up this issue, shifts the scene to an H.R. Geiger approved mess of tubes and blocks upon blocks of baby batteries. It's Soylent Green with a Lawnmower Man complex. Add some religious themes to appease the American audience, and you my friend have solid gold toilets.

Agent Smith Speaks His Mind...

Why do these movies, novels, stories, concept albums, comics,  video games, and television shows all exhibit such a stark reality?

In the Matrix the machines tried to implement a "utopia," but it failed because the human neuropathy couldn't adapt to a world where stress did not exist. A likely story!

But the truth is--like all good fiction--it's representational of real world modern day perception.

In fact, I've been here with you before--I've told you that as your species exists today it cannot achieve a Utopian world. It isn't because of Satan, more so it's just "your nature," but thats skirting the issue still.

So lets peal back the human conscious and prod away at some cultural nerve centers.

These two videos, musical in nature, compact a lot of "wisdom," as malformed it may be, that retaliates against a culture where several ministers were outed as frauds, not to mention the Catholic church debacle.

"Get Your Gunn" is even more blatantly sprinkled with pop cult trivia, harking back to Dr. David Gunn who was murdered by an evangelical pro-life activist.

This is media that made millions in the nineties, because it was a reflection of the times--dark, dreary, in your face. It was the flip of the mainstream line up of Boy Bands and Madonna-esque Disney Factory turn outs growing up and discovering pandering to the audience really works when you have female parts.

This is music that defined a generation coming off it's high after the Wall fell. New paranoia was spawned in the middle east shortly thereafter as mounting tensions were caused by the once US-backed Saddam.

And Jerry Springer, The Simpsons, Beavis and Butthead, all would define the first part of the decade, before becoming cult classics and spoofed by popular culture every once so often.

While this is all a generalization (many of you have different cultures and time frames to cull from) the 90s it's self was largely inertia from the 80s before it. Even Star Trek was back on the air, having re-launched in '87, it held two running franchises at a time for the bulk of that decade.

Star Trek, while not everyman's favorite show, is representational of the politics and gadget fashion of the period more than science fact.

Deep Space Nine ended with war. Post 9/11, Enterprise had a whole season where the main enemy was a species that had different subsets and of anatomy and culture called the Xindi. But they were all following the direction of a higher authority, who told them the Federation would one day destroy the Xindi home world.

To make the obvious clear: This is a set up to mirror international and middle eastern relations underneath all the alien makeup and laser beams.

And this little collection of ramblings is just a sampling of the media throughout the last twenty years. I write about what is current not because there aren't classics--but because the media you consume today makes most sense to you.

I mean, your grandmother never giggled at the line "gay old time" in the Flintstone's theme song, did she?

And M.C. Hammer was super fly.

Just Doesn't Exist

Somethings, like the perfect world, where everyone eats fluffy cotton candy gum drop food pills and war has become a "thing of the past" just doesn't exist.

That said, it isn't that peace describes boring. News headlines often exacerbate a situation, because "great journalism" leads to great ratings. With each new step forward into new heights of knowledge there's always that nagging feeling in the back of your collective unconscious. Endless possibilities offer endless morbid notions of what not to do.

A prime example is the real-world fact that you're more inclined to tell others if something sucks rather than if it rocked your socks. People are more passionate about that which they seek justice for. So, "think of the children!"

Morality plays.

So what constitutes a Utopia, at least in a literary sense? The problem with the word, is that your slice of paradise would be different with someone elses.

In reality, books I really love and too often name drop, are utopia to me. But it's still a world of violence, sex, drugs, and rock and roll. It's just decentralized and sped-up even past todays standards. 15 microseconds of fame is all you get.

Utopia, as the word was coined--referred to the title of a book, and to an island where there was perfect socio-economical-politico balance. As opposed to the lack of balance today.

Again, however, you cannot please all the people all the time, and it's rather easy for a reader to believe a small island nation could work it's self out in such a manner. (For the opposite, see Somalia...) But if you wish to apply such ideals scaled globally, one would argue, the sheer difference in culture would clash.

Not to mention the threat of a one world government. Which, is a threat in it's self---no matter how seemingly benign.

As a species you're supposed to be working towards less governance and more freedom.

In Utopias, usually you have some tech replace all the menial labor intensive work Average Joe doesn't want to be bothered with, freeing up humanity to pursue other goals. But there's always a trade off--a world like this couldn't have the same economic principles you share today.

More often than not, things go wrong. (See Bioshock 1, 2)

Which lead to dystopia.

(It really says a lot about a species half convinced it won't survive without competitive qualities.)

The thing is,

even the progenitor of the term, the book about an island named Utopia, could actually be described as satire in some circles.Written by Thomas Moore and published in 1516, the full name would roughly translate in english to "A Truly Golden Little Book, No Less Beneficial Than Entertaining, of the Best State of a Republic, and of the New Island Utopia" was some 500 years into the future socio-politically.

There were female priests, and either sex could marry. In 1516 theocracy was the opaque rule of the land, and priests marrying was a controversial concept in it's self. Then there's the ease of divorce, and euthanasia. Plus toleration of different religions. (This guy was a devout Catholic hailing from London.)

Remember...Utopia supposedly represented the "perfect" socio-politico-legal system.

But as always, trade offs.

The people of Utopia were communal, living off the land. Westeners may be quick to call it Communism, but it was written in a period where monastic life was a great way to secure food and a place to sleep.

Isn't it funny how five hundred years later, we're still tackling much of the same issues?

Even today your species doesn't agree across the board whether or not females are able to carry out religious duties. Personally, I find that suspect. You may not. But don't be offended by my wackiness, I'm an outside observer trying to make heads and tails of your cultures.

Right about now, I'm sure you're salivating to know what I would perceive to be a Utopia more in-depth. Okay, truthfully, I just can't pass up the chance. But bare with me, because I don't ever believe humanity will have a period where it won't want to better it's self.

In order to construct

the perfect society, one must perceive the society they are in now to be defective. The issue here is that (and I'm guilty of this, too, at times--although I hope its becoming less) it's easy to put on blinders and pursue with passion to seek balance for what you may feel are injustices to humanity.

But remember...you can't please all the people, all the time, right?

I'm not going to use that excuse, actually. I'll just frame the house, you can furnish it.

All through out my work at Generique(label)Media I've littered content with references to fear. Fear is ultimately the drive for many reactions, even if it's the United States Government threatening Wikileaks on dubious legal grounds. (Ohh, I dropped it..)

Why am I stating this?

Because I've got to ask you, what do you fear? What is it in your cerebral cortex that compels you to enter the rat race and be content?

Reply below. Discuss below. And, as a matter of fact, I'll elaborate on a world-line I've visited to get the gears going on how things "might" be different. Now, this can be tainted. But its a reflection of a society, not me.

I'll bet many of you are going "what rat race, all is well in Kansas!"

And that's a completely valid notion. I've always stressed the fact I'll never be able to agree with someone a hundred percent of the time, but I'll endorse their right to say it. You can't have free speech if it bans shit you don't want to hear, read, or explain to your children what a wardrobe malfunction is.

I'm an anarchist. It's an often misused word, tragically upheld in some youth subcultures but taken to a rebellious streak. Lets get one thing clear--I'm pro-democracy. I'm just not sure a representational democracy will ever be stable in the long term. (Refer to Rome.)

Through my travels in space-time, I've personally glimpsed a world 15 minutes from now. It may not be yours, but thats really up to humanity as a whole, isn't it?

This world-line is decentralized. There are no boarders, but there are many gated communities with privatized fire and security [Ed. note: don't confuse security with police, consider also biological and ecological issues.]. All across the world, there's a "Common Economic Protocol"- it's the legal document everyone generally agrees to go by when dealing with outsiders. (There will be negligence, but that's par for the course.)

They aren't strictly bound to currency because the food supply is local. Trade pacts are encouraged, and help keep a population from becoming too reliable on one strain of crop. Plus, you get to share new techniques.

Power is decentralized--solar paneling is a must where it's sensible, and they're much more effective and becoming ever more at a far quicker rate than here. There are plenty of options-- even using methane from sewage.

You see, this society is more geared towards certain goals. Mainly, mastering matter and form while working endlessly on space projects. Longevity of the human race is the key--but the standards of freedom and democracy will be preserved, too, at all costs.

Awhile back, civil engineers and economists began to ask why people would expend so much energy selling a name brand product manufactured say...in China, to Americans. Or why should the Chinese get the same product, assembled in America? Then they discovered and tracked all kinds of oddities--and granted, while these supply chains worked, they only worked for the bottom line.

Taking a magnifying glass to society, they began to meet in the open and discuss with the public across the world what the "ideal" conditions for a living environment would be for them.

That is...what was the ratio of needs and wants that needed to be inked down, and replicated for maximum benefit. They took a look at what politics was usually about--and every war, even religious ones, were all based on the fear of sharing resources.

Decentralized resources, then, where levels of food, water, and nutrients were standardized. Over time, different colonies began to focus on projects as a whole. If one person in Sao Paulo was interested and useful to work in Los Angeles, it would only make sense to ship'em off in trade with another person (or family).

But fear not, your living quarters need not be bland and monocultured. You're living in a world where low powered technology permeates the scene, allowing displays of digitally rendered customization to be splattered anywhere you want--$40 Target art aside.

This world is about cellular living. They are democratic as a whole, public forum and opinion the only way to create and review laws or doctrines. There are no parties here, no monolithic capitals--not even a cloak of laser satellites to fend off from nuclear attack.

In this world-line, people didn't figure out these concepts over night. There was blood shed and instability until the majority of the world agreed with the Common Economic Protocol.

And at the end of the day--what that doctrine stated--was that everyone had a right to live, have food, water, and shelter. It guaranteed that the individual rights were greater than the governments, and so, again, often public forum is used even in international relations.

They never would have bothered, though, if it weren't for the misuse of power by their dully elective representatives in the first place.

Now to be honest, I didn't stick around forever. So how this faired long term, I can't tell you. Certainly there was more to it than this, but you get the gist.

What's your take?

Spooky Reaction at a Distance

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Mentalist acer Level 6 Commenter 17 months ago

Utopia in itself is oxymoronic in that it would be a totalitarian existence,or the complexities of said reality would be so complex,as in a /true/ decentralized society, it would be pecieved as everyone for themselves with everything needed for happiness free and plentiful...that concept opposes basic human and natural laws of psycology and physics...but a fiction writer could,and has,written or write a utopian piece involving the totalitarian futility and or the disengenuous reasoning of this reality...if true utopia were achieved it would be in itself unnatural and opposed,therefore an oxymoron....;););)

The natural state of world order is fractal in nature and therefor chaotic in apperance,yet with evolution set in,the main objective of survival is determined by superior concepts and and ability to implement them...

In other words writers use distopia as a way to show the futility of utopia;)

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k@ri 17 months ago

A world where we are separate but we are also one. Where we are individually united. Where can I sign up?!

BTW: I LOVE this Hub! :D

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lxxy Hub Author 17 months ago

@Mentalist acer: That is the approximate situation; it's a binary black and white. The only way to ensure people are happy is to help them stabilize their own environments so that they can prosper. When you're bored, and have no need to blow each other up, it might prove more of a boon to advancement versus the dominant military and industrial complex.

@k@ri:

Glad you liked this hub :) I was afraid it was a mess, to be honest, but I'm always like that. Today, you guys need to work together to ferret out the inconsistencies in all of your governments. I'm not singling anyone out, but in the interest of the people if they truly what transparency they're going to have to fight for it.

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EyeWannaKnow 17 months ago

You are right. We cannot wait for the government to take care of the problem. We need to be the change we want to see. Community gardens may be a start. :)

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lxxy Hub Author 17 months ago

Oh, that certainly is a great idea. Hydroponic system and urban gardening techniques can be further refined so that you can get the most crop per square foot of space.

The reason I stress in developing in-door technology is not because I'm an advocate of illicit activities; rather, when you first land on Mars to colonize y'all will be putting up some oxygenated tents, and growing indoors will be the only option for quite sometime.

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Raven King 17 months ago

You stirred a good discussion. This would would make a good novel. Alien thinking about the possibilities, alternative history and the future. Resources and needs...hmm....How to reduce waste. I have a question for you. What would the consequences be for a zero emissions human? What would life be like for that individual?

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lxxy Hub Author 17 months ago

Well, to be honest, your species doesn't have to achieve "zero emission," you just need to strike a balance between what you're emitting.

The multitude of ways this would be achieved, I will look into.

My other concerns are, of course, industrialized China is busy buying cars and coal powered energy. They don't necessarily have the same standards.

But, I don't mean to pick on them. There's just many nations getting into the industrial revolution like its 1899.

On the flip side, nations just modernizing themselves often find ingenious ways to wire themselves up on the cheap, although service isn't the most reliable.

Anyway, I suppose I shall get digging...and present something, in some intersection of space-time. ;)

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mrpopo 16 months ago

I'm almost overwhelmed by how much wisdom can be discovered in your Hubs lxxy. And this is no exception!

While I let these radiant thoughts simmer in the back of my mind, I cannot help but think it all comes down to balance. And now after reading it for the umpteenth time I realize that is specifically the word you emphasize - my subconscious might have been in play. Socrates seems to have had the right idea.

Are we ready for democracy, representative or otherwise? I'm not so sure. Maybe not yet. An even bigger question, do we even need democracy? Are governments beneficial or even necessary? We might need to take a step back and look critically at the foundations of our thinking before we move forward, otherwise we'll be clinging on to a form of thinking that simply doesn't work, at least not for what we currently demand. Or the strain of thought is so far ahead of its time that we aren't even ready for it yet, whether 500 years ago with Moore or presently. But how can some be ready when others are still lagging behind? Is there a way to fix this?

Algorithmically we'll eventually find the correct answer. Once enough ideas are attempted and exhausted we can find one that definitely creates an outcome. That's why I love scientific thinking because in essence it is an algorithm ruthlessly scrutinized and kept in check by itself - it does help that the algorithm creates shortcuts as well just by its very application. And there is never a one truth, a one theory, a Utopia so to speak, but rather a best possible explanation. And it can always change depending on what creates a better explanation, a better way of thinking. By that alone we create an infinite number of explanations, an infinite number of possibilities to explore depending on the information we have to explain a given phenomenon.

What would be an algorithmic solution to seek a Utopia? Some form of democracy might be the answer. But will everybody be ready for this? Is that even reason to delay?

Btw I thoroughly enjoyed the music accompanied with this Hub. I was not aware Serj Tankian had released another album - I gotta check that out! Was it me or was the music video hinting at something when the last border to be lifted was the US-Mexico border? Just more food for thought I suppose!

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lxxy Hub Author 16 months ago

Hey MrPopo! Happy new year! Thank you for such a well thought out response. :) Here's some ideas to your questions...

"Are we ready for democracy, representative or otherwise? I'm not so sure. Maybe not yet. An even bigger question, do we even need democracy? Are governments beneficial or even necessary? "

It is clear that government is not necessary; it is already obsolete in many ways. But with all authoritarian power, it's main course of action is to keep convincing those it attempts to control that without it, the world would go to hell.

Whether or not you should have a governing body, there should be democracy. The difference between my idea of democracy and the one found today is that you pick people to represent your interests.

Well, why not just chime in with the rest of the people? Its fair, and useful, to hear everyone's arguments--as you point out--there are no explanations, just better adaptation to a situation.

"We might need to take a step back and look critically at the foundations of our thinking before we move forward, otherwise we'll be clinging on to a form of thinking that simply doesn't work, at least not for what we currently demand."

Your form of thinking has worked thus far; but very few human enterprises are indefinitely sustainable. Balance. :)

" That's why I love scientific thinking because in essence it is an algorithm ruthlessly scrutinized and kept in check by itself - it does help that the algorithm creates shortcuts as well just by its very application. And there is never a one truth, a one theory, a Utopia so to speak, but rather a best possible explanation. And it can always change depending on what creates a better explanation, a better way of thinking. "

You're right--there is never one theory! Yet you're forced into but a few socio-economic and political systems without ever asking "why?"

Algorithmically approaching a Utopia....well, I suppose what you're asking is--"How do we manage resources?"

And for us to do that, we need to have an actual count of resources worldwide. Else, we could start smaller--growing a community from the ground up.

I think the biggest burden on your system now is it's inefficient use of materials due to ill-conceived values of "brands."

Right now, you're busy tricking resources out of each other and finding new ways to make someone else want what you have...these behaviors have to change from a competitive function to a co-operative one.

As far as Serj goes..I'm just aware of this one album. I gotta go do some more looking. ;D I caught the US-Mexico boarder, too, and half-smiled. It's a desperate situation.

"The white man came to this country 400 years ago as illegal immigrants."-Charlie Hill

As for--why "some" are ready for the leap, and others aren't? Because the path of least resistance offers the greatest short term rewards.

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mrpopo 16 months ago

Happy new year to you too lxxy! Glad you liked the response, no doubt the consequence of a well thought out Hub :)

"Well, why not just chime in with the rest of the people? Its fair, and useful, to hear everyone's arguments--as you point out--there are no explanations, just better adaptation to a situation."

Yes I think that would be ideal as long as everyone's argument is given equal treatment and the preference only lies in the best solution. It would be interesting to organize something like this for large populations.

"Your form of thinking has worked thus far; but very few human enterprises are indefinitely sustainable. Balance. :)"

Ahah, well said! Maybe the only indefinitely sustainable aspect is that human enterprises are not indefinitely sustainable. Adaptation as a requisite for living and learning.

"Right now, you're busy tricking resources out of each other and finding new ways to make someone else want what you have...these behaviors have to change from a competitive function to a co-operative one."

You're right, that's a pretty big issue. I think we're slowly getting to cooperation though, at least in some facets. Wikipedia, open source and the like. We just need to apply the same premise in, well, everything else!

For now, though, some will be glad to take the path of least resistance.

Elect the Dead I think is his first solo album. Definitely worth checking out :)

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DarkDisOrder 16 months ago

A twisted display of disarray and madness, as one's own dementia of ones own solitude, utopia...

Brilliant...

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love my yorkies 16 months ago

Ahhh, Utopia, wonderful premise on the outside, but always something scary and terribly wrong on the inside. At least that's what the movie industry would have us believe, what's scarier (?) is the fact that I agree with them, probably (?!) I think I do anyway. But it's way too early for me to be up and trying to think and I haven't had my COFFEE fix yet. Think I'll go back to bed for awhile and worry about it all tomorrow. After all, tomorrow is another day!!! And I would probably pick Star Trek over Star Wars, just so ya know.

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lxxy Hub Author 16 months ago

@mrpopo: Sorry for the abrupt leave of absence, been hectic here.

"Yes I think that would be ideal as long as everyone's argument is given equal treatment and the preference only lies in the best solution. It would be interesting to organize something like this for large populations."

I personally don't believe in "best solutions," but "better solutions" are available. I think to artificially and arbitrarily define what is best for "everyone" leaves out an important part of the equation: environment. Not in the "you're polluting the world!" cry, but that it is difficult to appease everyone psychologically and physically.

I see an infinitely complex and interconnected patchwork of accords and agreements, sans government. Public.

As oddball as this next approach may seem, I believe all agreements should be made verbally and recorded in some respect for late review by peers if such a conflict arises.

An agreement, a social compact, is only valid if someone wishes to abide by it. That's valid today, valid tomorrow, valid in the future.

It's a heretical idea to many, but as I have been researching I find that international law and trade is really influenced by warfare.

Sovereignty is the question of who has a bigger gun.

That's just not really logical.

Accords, compacts, should be dug up or dug down. If an idea is popular, and people follow this idea--feel free to join them. Else, stay out.

Confederation? Nay, that would imply territorial statehood and national flags. This is more "natural order."

People will congregate around like minded individuals.

"You're right, that's a pretty big issue. I think we're slowly getting to cooperation though, at least in some facets. Wikipedia, open source and the like. We just need to apply the same premise in, well, everything else!"

I agree. I'm working hard to apply many of these principles to form a long lasting accord.

The path to least resistance is electrifying. ;)

@DarkDisOrder: Individually, we must all decide how to live our lives.

@love my yorkies: Hey there! Long time no see :) I'm with you on the Star Trek / Star Wars debate. Although I do see how either could be plausible...especially if said galaxy is far, far, away. ;)

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love my yorkies 16 months ago

Well, they just had cooler outfits on Star Trek, and who couldn't just love Capt. Kirk and his gang, but, Star Wars has the "Dark Side" and ya know there's days when nothing works but going to the "Dark Side" lol.

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Minnetonka Twin Level 7 Commenter 16 months ago

I remember first hearing of the word "Utopia" as a young girl. When it was explained to me what it meant, I thought it strange to speak of something so beyond reality. I did not see Utopia as a good thing. Although I think our society is very screwed up and always has been, it works. Even not working can work and a Utopia would be much the same. HMMMM??? just thinking outloud here:)

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lxxy Hub Author 16 months ago

Hey Minnetonka Twin!

Always great to think out loud. :) Yes, as I mentioned above, your society works for you today. It won't always be the case, because as it is functioning it will come to a point where your species just won't have much left to use and recycle.

This isn't environmentalism; it's just a pure observation--as a species, no one knows how much "stuff" you have to waste on what you're creating. The majority of what you're creating is a self perpetuated cycle devoted to a bottom line and an imaginary profit.

"Shifting paradigms" don't occur because the market tells the consumer what to purchase. Not the other way around. So, as a system--yes--it'll work for you. For your grandchildren, hell--maybe for another thousand years. Will it get you off this rock before you're stuck?

Doubtful.

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